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and hello from philadelphia frank here

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with yet another episode of ufo news

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network sunday and

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we've got a big show lined up for you

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everybody uh so uh let me

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not waste any time and bring in my

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trusty co-host

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chant hannah chan how are you tonight

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you ready to go

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i am good talking to you frank we had a

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really interesting uh week so far

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with a article that tony bergelia worked

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very hard on came out on february 8th of

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this year

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and it's about interesting pentagon

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admission that he feels is noteworthy

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the title of the article is pentagon

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admits it has ufo debris releases

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test results what's your take on this

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prank

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uh well we knew this was coming of

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course uh tony

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is really one of my oldest friends in

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this ufo business it's been almost 12

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since we first started corresponding and

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basically uh very early on i was kind of

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floundering around like a lot of people

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do in this ufo field and

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looking for decent information uh decent

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this ufo craziness is all about

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and uh one of the first people whose

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work i came across was tony's

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and uh instantly i was struck that this

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guy kind of gets it he was

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really looking closely at the materials

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of the ufo phenomenon and i thought that

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that is exactly the right direction i

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wrote him a a little fan email and we

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corresponded from there and uh the rest

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is kind of history you know uh

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uh if it wasn't for tony brigalia this

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show probably wouldn't exist

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uh hannah you and i well probably

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wouldn't be friends

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so uh you know uh that it's a sort of

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the the butterfly effect

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you know in terms of the way things

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extremely grateful to tony again if it

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wasn't for him

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uh you wouldn't be listening to this

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show right now i'm pretty certain and

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uh i'll be forever grateful to him for

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that

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but uh he has a continued to work on uh

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this uh subject uh the materials related

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uh for you know he was well established

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in it 12 years ago so who knows

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my guess is maybe as many as 20 years

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he's been working on it

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and of course i got the bug a little bit

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too and uh followed up and i was

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looking at some things on my own and i

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think i've turned up a few things which

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double back and talk about a little bit

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as the show goes on

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uh but basically uh the show is going to

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be uh divided

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into uh uh four different segments i'm

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of course uh tony's article and uh the

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they are not overlooking this topic

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there are so many topics out there

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that get so much attention you know uh a

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hypnotic regression of uh uh contact

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this very tangible uh research uh into

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so it's really important and interesting

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that they deserved so i'm gonna go

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super alloys are really exploded in the

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so uh let's uh let's get to it

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and let's uh talk about the story itself

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it came out monday

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if you're uh following uh ufo news

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or belong to the facebook group

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early part of this month uh that this

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and uh the results are finally out uh

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monday pentagon admits it has ufo debris

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a stunning admission by the us

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title that uh tony bergelia used for

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everybody is criticizing it because

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this in a little bit more detail

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national institute for

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discovery science uh prior to his

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that he did it he released the results

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later so uh

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debris

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inside within the the defense industry

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and then passed that back to bigelow

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to be tested i tend to think that's not

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the case uh for a bunch of reasons which

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i'll again

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elaborate on as we go along but

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that's where it's at uh that's uh the

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headline that tony wrote

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and uh i would like to ask you if you

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don't mind um

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the admits part of this title and then i

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want to touch on a few things regarding

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uh robert bigelow if you don't mind

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but uh you asked what uh anything i

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wanted to talk about

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i wanted to touch on the title of this

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article and then just a few things that

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robert bigelow was

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involved in regarding some patents but

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the admits part of this title do you see

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the admits

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part in this article at all where it

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well yeah uh basically it's the sentence

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requesting all information on

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test results from the uap material from

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bigelow aerospace

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okay so so do you feel that that may

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be it equals admits

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in other words is that what justifies

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the title of the article

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by tony well yeah i think uh that's uh

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that

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headline i'm asking because the

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naysayers are the detractors or critics

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of this title

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uh may be able to refer to you

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regarding your answer there in case they

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have not

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looked hard enough through the article

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or the article

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tony wrote in order to understand why he

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may

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have come to that conclusion i think

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what's important is uh

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more important is people actually read

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the article tony wrote and come to their

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own conclusion regarding whether

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uh uh you know what they feel

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uh the government decided to give to

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tony if it was of import or not

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now i wanted to mention uh the few a few

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patents by robert bigelow

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and why he might be interested in

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metamaterial

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or super alloys which you'll touch on

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later in the show

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and that is uh as early as 2006 i

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believe it was

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i'm sorry 2011 he got involved in

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spacecraft magnetic shield

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patent and uh that's an apparatus that

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he worked on

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um with uh looks like it was a

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filled it was created through a grant

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and then another was a cover for use

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with an inflatable modular structure

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and that's for a different planet and

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then a spacecraft

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shield a space a super

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let's see a space station configuration

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and

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then moving along because there's quite

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a few different spacecraft related

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patents here

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as early as as recent as

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2000 uh

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looks like 16 we have colm kelleher

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along with many other folks but i say

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colm kelleher because he's well known in

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the ufo community

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that worked on a water reuse system

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i am imagine it has to do with

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repurposing water

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and that was with the robert bigelow in

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2017. and then in 2017 we have colm

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kelleher involved with robert bigelow

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and a plethora of other folks regarding

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spacecraft carbon dioxide removal system

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every single one of these patents um or

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most of them

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looks like would involve a medal of some

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kind it makes sense to me why he would

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be interested

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that being robert bigelow in uh uh super

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alloy

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to be able to deal with the tough

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atmospheres that he might be uh

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steadily working on uh coming to

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fruition so the government can use them

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if they decide to go to another planet

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sure absolutely and uh you know you see

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keller

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uh do you have uh some of those other

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names uh that are involved in frontier

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you want to read a couple of those off i

390
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mean i might i don't have it in front of

391
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me what you've got in front of you so

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there might be some interesting names

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there

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what i'm going to do while i'm

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mentioning them is i'm going to also

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give you the link here so you have

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access to actually

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uh grabbing it so just one sec take me

399
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about to five seconds here

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all right so it looks like some of the

401
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other names involved here

402
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uh are uh lorenzo flores juan palata

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jared rugg derek johnson david birchler

404
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daniel krazan philip fowler and that was

405
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for the spacecraft carbon dioxide

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removal system in 2017

407
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then we also have the water reuse system

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which involved of course

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robert bigelow sherwin gromley called

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kelleher

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robert hill keith cooker um so i'm just

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going to see if

413
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yeah none of that none of those names

414
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immediately jump out to me as familiar

415
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but if they do to somebody else you know

416
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then here's your opportunity to follow

417
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up a little bit so that that's basically

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where that is uh but uh one thing i do

419
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want to stress and

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uh people get all always bogged down in

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the denotations and

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uh don't look at the connotation even if

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you disagree with the headline even if

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you disagree with some of uh tony's

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conclusions that article is really an

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excellent article because he does go

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into a lot of detail

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about uh the history of

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materials advancement especially in

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relation to

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uh nitinol throughout the article so

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that that's why it's so important

433
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yeah don't again uh don't get uh bogged

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down

435
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tony bergelia is not somebody like a

436
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corey good who just makes things up or

437
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uh you know some of the other fantasists

438
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that are out there in the field

439
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you don't have to agree with all of his

440
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:57,600
conclusions about what he found

441
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to take a closer look at what he found

442
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and get something out of it i

443
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that's that's uh that's a point that i

444
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:03,759
really want to stress

445
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to everybody out there and another thing

446
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:08,959
that has uh led to some criticism is of

447
00:16:12,389 --> 00:16:09,519
course

448
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uh mainstream publication so i have

449
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picked up on this and uh the most famous

450
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of that is

451
00:16:20,230 --> 00:16:18,079
uh the uh british tabloid the sun and uh

452
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people are uh finding issue with that

453
00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:21,920
the fact that the sun's owned by rupert

454
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murdoch it's uh something that's called

455
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a uh

456
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a red top over in england and it's uh uh

457
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:29,920
not always uh necessarily held in

458
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high regard from a journalistic

459
00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:33,680
standpoint uh they picked up on the

460
00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:35,440
story and they're running with it and

461
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uh just the fact that they're running

462
00:16:41,350 --> 00:16:39,120
with it has uh brought some heat about

463
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:41,360
uh brought some criticism about and i i

464
00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:42,720
think uh that is uh

465
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uh actually uh uh not a good thing again

466
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uh

467
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the headline and reading the article and

468
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saying hey

469
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:51,360
that's actually a pretty interesting

470
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:53,600
article and

471
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a few things about that the sun has uh

472
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and i know this can be taken

473
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tongue-in-cheek but it is actually a

474
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fact

475
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:04,559
the sun has actually published many

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00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:07,360
credit credible articles that were all

477
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fact related

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00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:11,760
i know because i have uh

479
00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:14,799
to vet them all the time

480
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:18,079
regarding certain content on facebook

481
00:17:21,990 --> 00:17:20,559
that i have to approve or not approve at

482
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times occasionally

483
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:27,120
and um just moving along here

484
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we both know that it doesn't matter

485
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:32,559
whether it was fox news or cnn

486
00:17:36,470 --> 00:17:34,799
or scientific journal that allowed this

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to be published

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folks would find a problem with it no

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matter what

490
00:17:42,710 --> 00:17:42,320
and that's just how the ufo community is

491
00:17:44,470 --> 00:17:42,720
well

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that's how that's how every every

493
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,240
community is uh

494
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:48,720
there's been criticism of the fact that

495
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uh some

496
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,760
uh ttsa folks have appeared on with that

497
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:53,360
tucker carlson and they don't like some

498
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of his other content

499
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so suddenly they have a problem with the

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00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:57,919
ufc honestly

501
00:18:01,590 --> 00:18:00,960
more so with the ufo community i i say

502
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:01,600
that

503
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,840
because uh in the ufo community uh

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00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,919
i have found often times a lot of

505
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:10,080
criticism that was unwarranted

506
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:12,799
but it's usually by people who like to

507
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just troll for the sake

508
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:16,400
of doing it so i agree with what you're

509
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saying you know it's

510
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it it really doesn't matter whether it

511
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if it was the sun which is uh one of the

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biggest publications on the internet

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i say good because it reaches more

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people so that they'll become more

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educated on this topic

516
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:35,919
okay and uh yeah i do want to jump back

517
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,039
to a quote

518
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,520
from tony's original article the

519
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information provided in the foyer

520
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response

521
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seems to represent reports that are

522
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:46,400
directly relevant to what was learned

523
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,640
uh from the study of view of the ufo

524
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,799
debris and how insight gained from those

525
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:52,960
studies might be applied in the future

526
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:55,360
but does not include a detailing of the

527
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:56,000
found debris

528
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:57,919
itself so that that's pretty important

529
00:19:01,510 --> 00:18:59,280
you know tony kind of

530
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,520
uh reins back in and the actual article

531
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,039
itself is compared with

532
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,520
you know again a headline that is uh by

533
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,480
design

534
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:08,160
intended to draw attention to the

535
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:09,600
article and like i say

536
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:12,160
i think honestly if you're not doing

537
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:14,000
that or not trying to do that

538
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,039
then you know your material is going to

539
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,360
get lost to tell you the truth

540
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,520
so so that so there's so there's that

541
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:23,520
now certainly this has not gotten lost

542
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,480
and uh it did prompt uh ufo uh

543
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:28,160
researcher roger glassell

544
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:31,440
uh to uh contact uh susan huff i believe

545
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,000
is how

546
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:35,039
uh or susan go i believe it might be or

547
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,600
guff

548
00:19:39,310 --> 00:19:37,280
i'm not sure exactly how her last name

549
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:39,320
is pronounced but uh there you see a

550
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:40,799
g-o-u-g-h

551
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:43,120
uh she is a defense uh department

552
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:44,160
spokesperson

553
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,960
and uh her her response to all this

554
00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:48,720
roger those appear to be copies of a

555
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:50,400
legitimate four-year request and the

556
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,559
response provided to the requester

557
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:55,120
uh and yeah i mean we're not doubting

558
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:55,679
that

559
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,720
in fact uh the titles of all the uh

560
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,720
uh the durds that were released uh were

561
00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,320
available before and uh

562
00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:03,840
they are legitimate there's no doubt

563
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,679
about that i'm aware that those

564
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:07,919
there have been some social media

565
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:10,720
chatter uh regarding those so i would

566
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:14,240
like to also point for you

567
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:18,240
okay

568
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,919
that read a little weird uh but uh

569
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,679
that's uh obviously a quick and uh

570
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,919
a real quick response uh the testing

571
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,919
referred to in the documents released by

572
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:27,760
the defense intelligence agency under

573
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,280
the freedom of information act

574
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:31,520
was of known materials conducted for

575
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,480
study purposes

576
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,720
uh pursuant to the advanced aerospace

577
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:36,640
threat and identification program's

578
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:37,280
mission

579
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:39,760
of establishing a center of expertise

580
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,400
for

581
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:43,200
advanced aerospace technology any claims

582
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,240
that the tests

583
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,960
are of debris are inaccurate and

584
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:48,960
misleading so

585
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,799
you know i mean that's where that's at

586
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,400
and i i wouldn't be uh

587
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,440
uh terribly uh concerned about that uh

588
00:20:59,190 --> 00:20:57,200
again the the proof is in the pudding

589
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,200
the proof is in there the actual uh

590
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,840
uh releases themselves the actual papers

591
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,640
themselves and

592
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:05,039
like i said i'm going to dig into them a

593
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:05,679
little bit

594
00:21:11,669 --> 00:21:09,679
more as we go along and uh

595
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,679
and again how you want to interpret them

596
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:12,960
or how you want to interpret the

597
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,000
interpretation

598
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,640
that uh uh well all that leads you into

599
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,720
is a lot of uh traps of language

600
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,240
arguments and that's uh

601
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:23,039
uh not what we're here to get into so uh

602
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:24,159
basically that's that

603
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:27,280
that's the story and uh we'll uh we'll

604
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:28,480
be ready to move on

605
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,039
to the other topic and get into a little

606
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:33,679
bit more about uh robert bigelow

607
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:37,360
and uh his long time interest uh this

608
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,960
isn't really going to take that long

609
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,640
so uh chan if you have any follow up on

610
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:42,720
that this will uh just basically

611
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:45,919
at the nin's website again uh bigelow uh

612
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:49,280
has when he was running nins uh did in

613
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:50,320
fact acquire

614
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:53,600
uh anomalous uh debris uh including the

615
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:54,159
uh

616
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:58,480
also apparently

617
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:01,840
acquired implants retrieved by

618
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,000
dr roger lear and had those tested

619
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,159
published the test results and in fact

620
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,159
they're not anomalous they're

621
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,840
at least relating that to the test

622
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,280
results that he published that their

623
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,360
their uh ordinary materials so uh

624
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:16,799
nothing fancy there

625
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,919
let's also remember that hal put off uh

626
00:22:26,310 --> 00:22:22,240
was involved in this a-tip program

627
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,320
and uh uh he is uh

628
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,720
had access to the the infamous uh

629
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:29,600
business uh

630
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,559
bismuth magnesium arts parts piece for

631
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,600
some time

632
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:35,919
that may well have uh fallen into the

633
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:37,919
hands of robert bigelow

634
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,320
in a 2007 presentation before

635
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,360
the uh contact in the desert audience

636
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,159
jacques villa talked extensively about

637
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,400
his own research into the materials

638
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:53,520
and also discussed some materials that

639
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,760
were known to exist or thought to exist

640
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,360
but that he didn't necessarily have

641
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:00,799
access to

642
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:04,320
one of those items listed was in fact

643
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,919
material that apparently bigelow

644
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,400
recovered at the skinwalker ranch

645
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:11,120
so there's that and plus again there may

646
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,640
be some other material

647
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,799
that we don't know about that that he

648
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:15,840
was able to

649
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,880
acquire now a few months back

650
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:21,440
it was reported that there was a a

651
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:22,880
10-month report

652
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:26,159
provided by bigelow to the pentagon

653
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:30,080
uh i assume elizondo uh for uh for his

654
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:30,640
read

655
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,600
a very lengthy thick report we know very

656
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,799
little about what's in it

657
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,039
but my guess is that uh certainly some

658
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,120
of it covered the materials

659
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,000
and again i think uh there is some

660
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,000
question here as to whether or not

661
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,720
the pentagon itself uh something from uh

662
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,640
within the defense department went over

663
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:50,000
to bigelow for testing

664
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,600
i'm a little bit skeptical of that i

665
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:53,760
need to see in fact i'm very skeptical

666
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,559
of that

667
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:57,200
uh for reasons that uh the the military

668
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,240
has its own

669
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,360
uh well-researched labs much better than

670
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,039
bigelow could have put together in a

671
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,720
very short period of time

672
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,799
the dia is right down the street from a

673
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,400
naval research lab

674
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,880
uh the the military has access and

675
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,720
long-standing uh working relationship

676
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,799
with the battelle memorial institute

677
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:17,600
certainly on the the limited funds that

678
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,320
bigelow

679
00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:20,799
uh had to put something together uh he

680
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:22,159
couldn't have matched the kind of work

681
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,039
that those uh

682
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,120
organizations could have done so i think

683
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:27,679
it's highly unlikely unless

684
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,240
again by chance uh that uh somebody

685
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,760
within the defense department was able

686
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:33,200
to get their hands on something

687
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,679
and pass it over to bigelow for for a

688
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,480
test at his

689
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,240
uh whatever facilities he was able to

690
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,080
cobble together out there in vegas

691
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:43,360
but um still uh you know i would need to

692
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,159
see more

693
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,559
before i i hold it out there as a

694
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,960
possibility but i would need to see more

695
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,880
before i said that was a certainty but

696
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:52,799
obviously there's no question

697
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,600
materials were of great interest to this

698
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,799
particular research

699
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,559
and to a lot of other research that's

700
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,000
gone on uh in

701
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,400
and around the ufo field going back

702
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,320
almost 75 years now

703
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,200
so there's that there's the the robert

704
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:08,880
the robert bigelow update

705
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:12,000
and then basically what i want to do now

706
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,720
is to go

707
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:15,360
and do a little bit more detail on those

708
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:16,320
uh

709
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:29,840
next topic

710
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,960
yes i just wanted to mention for our uh

711
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:34,559
listener's sake uh

712
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:37,200
that uh linda molten howe uh claimed

713
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:38,640
that she and art bell

714
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,520
um of course if people don't know who

715
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,120
art bell was he was the co

716
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:46,400
the original uh late night host

717
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,880
uh i'm sorry the host of coast to coast

718
00:25:52,029 --> 00:25:49,760
am

719
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:52,039
and he acquired the medal with her in

720
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:53,520
1996

721
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,440
um and uh on linda moulton house website

722
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,760
which is on earthfiles.com

723
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:02,000
she has a tiny little screen grab that

724
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,960
says

725
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,600
granddad spent a total of 26 weeks in

726
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,640
the team

727
00:26:10,710 --> 00:26:08,559
that examined and debriefed the lone

728
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,720
survivor of the roswell crash

729
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:13,200
granddad's affiliation with the project

730
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,240
in quotes

731
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,080
ended when the occupant was to be

732
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:18,320
transported to a long-term facility

733
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:21,520
he was placed on board a usaf transport

734
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,320
aircraft

735
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,799
that was to be sent to washington dc the

736
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,640
aircraft and all aboard disappeared

737
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,159
under the mysterious and disturbing

738
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,640
circumstances in route to washington dc

739
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:32,799
above this little tiny screen grab that

740
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,159
she has

741
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,720
of the text i just relayed to you all

742
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:38,480
there is a picture of

743
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:41,679
a mysterious bismuth and magnesium zinc

744
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:44,960
metal is what it says here as a title

745
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:48,320
uh from bottom of wedge-shaped ufo uh on

746
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,720
her

747
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:51,039
research updates so it's just important

748
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,320
that uh folks

749
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:54,880
understand a little bit of background

750
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:56,000
alleged history

751
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,760
regarding this meta material that

752
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,520
continuously comes up

753
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,600
when people talk about it in the ufo

754
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,720
community

755
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,400
yeah there are a lot of pieces that are

756
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,400
floating around that uh

757
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,640
you know have been tested uh some of

758
00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,919
them uh

759
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,840
have come up very curious not all of

760
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,120
them most of them

761
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,600
uh basically get explained as uh you

762
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,480
know being a mundane explainable not uh

763
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:21,360
not necessary yeah nothing that would

764
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:22,240
indicate that

765
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:24,320
it might have been manufactured from

766
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,760
some other planet some advanced

767
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:26,720
civilization well

768
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:30,240
allegedly and according to linda howe

769
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:34,000
and uh i'm sorry it was

770
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,120
the long they they both believe

771
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:40,000
that if there's enough terror hurts uh

772
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,399
that

773
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,000
it's hit with it being the amount of

774
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:43,679
material that uh

775
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,120
uh was paid for by ttsa i think it was

776
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,360
35 grand they paid for it

777
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,600
that with it's hit hit with enough

778
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:53,840
terahertz it will actually float

779
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,880
float in the air so uh

780
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:59,120
that's also important for our listeners

781
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,240
to understand yeah

782
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,000
that claim is out there and you know i'd

783
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,760
like to see it if it's by but uh

784
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,840
you know i am uh about that particular

785
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,520
that piece in particular i am

786
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,279
uh uh more than a little bit skeptical

787
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:10,559
about yeah

788
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:14,080
so am i so so uh ready to move on to uh

789
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:14,960
the next segment

790
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,399
okay okay so

791
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,799
let's get into the meet a little bit of

792
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:23,279
these papers and provide an overview of

793
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,679
these

794
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,720
overview papers that were

795
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,760
commissioned by bigelow and

796
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,480
turned over to the defense intelligence

797
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,200
agency

798
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,360
uh let's start with the first one now

799
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:37,919
this one had already been available

800
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:40,720
it is a metallic glasses status and

801
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:43,600
prospects for aerospace applications

802
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,039
now uh we know that uh these papers were

803
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:49,520
commissioned for a ufo program

804
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,159
uh we don't know uh and uh i don't even

805
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,600
think it's uh likely that

806
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:56,080
the authors of these papers uh knew that

807
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:57,520
they were writing for

808
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,200
a ufo program it was after all the

809
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,799
advanced aerospace weapons uh

810
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:07,200
threat identification program or uh

811
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,080
whatever

812
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,760
uh acronym they used to commission these

813
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,480
fellows so

814
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,320
they may not they likely didn't even

815
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:16,320
know that they were writing for a ufo

816
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:16,960
program

817
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:20,640
interested

818
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:24,000
in metallic glasses well i can't say for

819
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:24,799
sure but

820
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,679
we certainly have had witness accounts

821
00:29:31,389 --> 00:29:28,320
where

822
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,399
uh ufos appear to be glass-like or

823
00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:33,120
semi-transparent maybe that had

824
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,320
something to do with it

825
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,240
in the paper the author of john

826
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,799
huffnagle of john hopkins university

827
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,880
says that the metallic glasses at least

828
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,080
that he's writing about

829
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,399
uh aren't uh they're glass but uh they

830
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,919
aren't transparent the way we think of a

831
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:47,679
window glass or something along those

832
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,320
lines

833
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,919
but be that as it may it had already

834
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,240
been available uh huffnegola seems

835
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,080
dubious about any near-term

836
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,960
usefulness in terms of aerospace or

837
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:58,320
anything along those lines

838
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,360
and that doesn't provide much detail

839
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,799
regarding a specific

840
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:05,039
potential applications so at the time of

841
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,240
this writing

842
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:09,200
my guess is that this particular field

843
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,760
is uh

844
00:30:14,549 --> 00:30:12,559
uh very much in its nascent stages and

845
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:14,559
uh of the five papers that were released

846
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,200
together

847
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:17,679
uh this was uh the least interesting to

848
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,240
me

849
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,200
uh with all due respect to uh huffnagle

850
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:22,799
now uh the second paper

851
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:25,679
was uh written by uh bruce tau uh this

852
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,720
is a new release on the biomaterials and

853
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:31,360
uh this was of a particular interest to

854
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,720
tony because of his

855
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,440
interest in nitinol and obviously uh i'm

856
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:37,520
interested as well nitinol of course uh

857
00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:38,480
titanium

858
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,000
uh it does go into some detail about the

859
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,919
biocompatibility of titanium it is as

860
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,080
far as i know the most biocompatible

861
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:51,120
of all the metals and is used

862
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:54,720
in biomaterials uh basically uh it also

863
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:57,919
discusses nitinol in the uh biomaterial

864
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:58,880
context that's

865
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,679
used in a heart stents for example or

866
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:03,120
works a little bit better than the old

867
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,399
school balloons

868
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,640
as far as uh keeping that heart pumping

869
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,080
keeping people alive

870
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,159
uh basically it's a pretty well

871
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:11,760
established field

872
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,120
uh that uh tao concludes uh there is

873
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,039
opportunity for the future of course he

874
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,679
doesn't uh go into too much detail

875
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,480
in terms of what that might be but uh

876
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,480
the the field is pretty well established

877
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:26,000
has been around for a while

878
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,600
uh why would they commission a report on

879
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,760
biomaterials well again well we've heard

880
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:33,440
these accounts of

881
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,960
of the uh people going on board crafts

882
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,679
and uh

883
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:39,679
saying they've been able to fly these

884
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,320
ufos uh with the power of their mind a

885
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:43,840
lot of talk about

886
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,880
uh et's with the this uh uh uh

887
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:49,200
capability of uh uh psychic

888
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,640
communication uh

889
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,440
uh perhaps uh somehow uh uh materials

890
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,640
involved with that uh

891
00:31:59,110 --> 00:31:57,600
uh i would think that that is uh uh some

892
00:32:02,470 --> 00:31:59,120
of the reasoning behind it

893
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:02,480
although tao spoke directly

894
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,679
to the use of biomaterials uh

895
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,760
in the medical field currently we also

896
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:09,120
know the military

897
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:13,039
darpa and also uh the the rand institute

898
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,399
has written extensively

899
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,559
about the military's interest in uh

900
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:18,159
developing a direct

901
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,760
uh brain interface uh with uh technology

902
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:22,960
uh compatibility

903
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:25,360
uh being able to again uh sort of uh

904
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:27,279
control vehicles with the power of the

905
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:28,880
mind that sort of thing

906
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,840
so uh you can see here why that

907
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,360
particular field might be of some

908
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:35,120
interest to those guys

909
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:38,320
and the third uh paper we've got

910
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,320
this one written by john williams from

911
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,399
ohio state university again

912
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,679
this had been available uh uh

913
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,919
the uh i think uh the most interesting

914
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:49,919
of the of the available papers

915
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:52,960
uh covers uh titanium alloys and uh

916
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,519
titanium super composites and that

917
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,240
their use in hypersonic flight vehicles

918
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,640
and also uh nickel-based super alloys

919
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:03,039
super alloys excuse me i'm going to get

920
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,320
into a little bit

921
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:06,559
in more detail later on at an

922
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:07,840
interesting term you

923
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,919
might want to keep in mind that hasn't

924
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:12,000
been thrown around in the ufo field that

925
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,399
much

926
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,240
hopefully it does a little bit more

927
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:16,159
super alloys it's actually

928
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,200
kind of an old term going back to uh

929
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,519
the 40s and the immediate post roswell

930
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:25,200
era but i'll get into a little bit more

931
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,080
of that later

932
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:28,559
uh but again hypersonic flight well you

933
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,919
know what do ufos do

934
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,559
uh they fly hypersonically so uh no

935
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,559
surprise here as to why they might

936
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,240
uh commission something along those

937
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,080
lines uh

938
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:41,279
metal and metallic spintronics uh by uh

939
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,919
dr

940
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:44,240
maxim soy of the university of texas at

941
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,200
austin

942
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:48,000
this one's a new release for the most

943
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:49,919
part this paper deals with controlling

944
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,559
the spin of electrons and computer chips

945
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,960
making them faster and more energy

946
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,840
efficient

947
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:58,960
uh why again with these guys

948
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:02,399
in a ufo or a project why would they be

949
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,200
interested

950
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,640
in electronic uh spin at the electronic

951
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,240
level at the atomic level

952
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:10,800
uh well uh uh this goes back to an

953
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,679
interview that

954
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:14,399
we did with uh gary nolan back in

955
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,240
december of 2017

956
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,919
right after the original new york times

957
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,200
story came out

958
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:22,879
he was nice enough to answer a few

959
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,000
questions about uh the materials aspect

960
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,040
if you remember uh the the story did uh

961
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:31,919
in passing mentioned uh meta materials

962
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,960
and uh materials recovered from crashes

963
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,359
and of course uh tony in the immediate

964
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,639
aftermath filed that

965
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:41,040
lawyer request that was uh just uh uh

966
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,480
answered that in the last

967
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:44,480
few weeks or so but uh here's the quote

968
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:45,520
from nolan

969
00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:48,079
again he's talking about isotopes and he

970
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,800
gets it to

971
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,720
spin a little bit down the road there

972
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:52,800
are natural ratios of these

973
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:55,280
isotopes that are largely governed by

974
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,240
stellar decay

975
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,280
processes centrifugal forces during

976
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,599
planetary formation and proximity to

977
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:03,839
gamma and other radiation sources

978
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:07,040
the ratios vary only slightly across the

979
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,000
solar system

980
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,400
significant variations and isotope

981
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,720
ratios imply either engineering of the

982
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,720
ratios for a purpose

983
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,320
which is certainly possible we do that

984
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:17,839
here that's my side

985
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,640
not from gary or that the materials came

986
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:21,599
from somewhere

987
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,640
that does not play by our rules my

988
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:26,720
suspicion is that a foundational

989
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,160
difference in the is the

990
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,960
nuclear spin of these isotopes and other

991
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,960
quantum features associated

992
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,400
with different arrangements of the

993
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,760
nuclear shells and the different

994
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,720
isotopes

995
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,359
that affects how they behave contribute

996
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:41,440
in these composites or metamaterial

997
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:42,160
structures

998
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,920
so there you there you're getting that

999
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:45,520
nuclear spin that

1000
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:48,800
spin at the electron level uh that is uh

1001
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,280
what

1002
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:52,079
i think that uh that paper which again

1003
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,359
doesn't necessarily

1004
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:56,079
uh seem to imply any direct connection

1005
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,119
to ufos

1006
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,280
but that could well be the reason for

1007
00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:00,800
the commissioning of that particular

1008
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:01,440
paper

1009
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,560
and uh finally uh meta materials for

1010
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,240
aerospace applications

1011
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,560
uh this one had been available as well

1012
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,920
uh an interesting paper

1013
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,800
written by professor gennady chavez of

1014
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,880
the university of texas at austin

1015
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:17,280
another uh university of texas at austin

1016
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:18,240
guy

1017
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:20,079
which is where hal put off his

1018
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,280
headquartered so

1019
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,680
that might explain how he was able to be

1020
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,960
familiar with their work

1021
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,480
and commissioned them uh for these

1022
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,800
particular papers and uh and this one

1023
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,200
uh he covers a circuit and wave guide

1024
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,359
miniaturization again from put off

1025
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,520
uh you heard talk about the wave guides

1026
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:37,119
in connection with that uh

1027
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:39,200
arts parts piece that they were able to

1028
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,040
acquire from linda molten howe

1029
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,599
also energy harvesting uh tunable

1030
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:45,280
switchable metamaterials

1031
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,720
and electronic uh electromagnetically

1032
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:50,400
induced invisibility

1033
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:53,200
so there you see why uh uh there might

1034
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,640
be some interest in that kind of a

1035
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,880
subject obviously we've got uh

1036
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,720
reports of ufos appearing and

1037
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,160
disappearing and

1038
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,160
you know how do they power themselves as

1039
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:04,880
a energy harvesting a part of that

1040
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,079
uh and again the the wave guide feature

1041
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:10,160
which uh put off seems especially

1042
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,440
interested in so

1043
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,040
i mean there you have it that's a little

1044
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:14,880
bit of an overview of

1045
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:17,920
the uh the papers that were released

1046
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:21,040
uh links to them are available in tony's

1047
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,320
original story

1048
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,880
so you can go uh track those down and

1049
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,240
find them and look through them

1050
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:28,560
and maybe you might find uh something of

1051
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:29,359
some interest

1052
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:32,000
so now that we're through all that let's

1053
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:32,560
uh

1054
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:35,520
start talking about a final topic for

1055
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,790
and finally i want to talk a little bit

1056
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:41,359
about

1057
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,119
a very interesting phenomenon called a

1058
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:48,560
super alloys a development that

1059
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:52,320
that really uh really got going uh back

1060
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,280
in the immediate

1061
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,400
post roswell years now

1062
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,160
uh if you've read tony's article and now

1063
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,920
you've read his other articles about nut

1064
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,800
and all

1065
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:03,040
over the years and you've ever looked at

1066
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,000
my article about

1067
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:06,240
the uh the founding of the titanium

1068
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:09,200
industry at the ufopartisan.blogspot

1069
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:10,320
there it is right there it's right in

1070
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,520
front of you ufopartisan.blogspot.com

1071
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:16,000
uh about the founding of the titanium

1072
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:16,720
industry

1073
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,359
uh you'll see uh you know again now why

1074
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:21,520
this materials aspect of the phenomenon

1075
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:22,640
is so important

1076
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,680
uh basically in the the immediate

1077
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,359
post roswell years there was no

1078
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:29,440
commercial titanium industry there was

1079
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:30,240
nothing

1080
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,160
okay and then suddenly uh in 1948 a

1081
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,960
commercial titanium industry is founded

1082
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,760
now it's not like the people didn't know

1083
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,760
that the titanium existed

1084
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,599
but at that point in time was sort of a

1085
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,200
laboratory curiosity

1086
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,280
nobody was really sure what what they

1087
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:49,359
could do with it and uh

1088
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,040
suddenly the united states air force

1089
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,400
the military became the enough of a

1090
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:58,160
customer that they wanted enough of this

1091
00:39:04,550 --> 00:38:59,200
titanium

1092
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,560
that company the subsidiary of dupont

1093
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,400
made they made it worth their while for

1094
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:08,400
dupont to begin uh producing this

1095
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:09,920
material commercially

1096
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,720
and in that immediate in the immediate

1097
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:13,520
years

1098
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,440
after it was founded from 48 into the

1099
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:18,720
mid 50s literally titanium production

1100
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,320
doubled every year uh well into

1101
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,400
into the mid 50s i believe so you're

1102
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,920
talking about going from

1103
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,160
just a few tons you know from like seven

1104
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,079
tons to 14 to 28

1105
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,240
to you know up in the thousands

1106
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:34,000
thousands of tons of titanium

1107
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,280
were produced by the mid-50s so

1108
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,599
this is an entire industry and that i

1109
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,040
believe

1110
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,920
was founded as a direct result of

1111
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:45,200
roswell debris

1112
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,800
uh being determined to have uh titanium

1113
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:51,200
as a component in the alloys that were

1114
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:52,960
used for its manufacture

1115
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,520
okay so there's that now tony is a very

1116
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,560
big on

1117
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,200
uh this uh particular alloy called uh

1118
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,040
nitinol or nitinol i've always called it

1119
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:03,119
nitinol because uh a nitinol is a

1120
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:03,920
basically a

1121
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,560
an anagram of uh uh or an acronym i'm

1122
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,520
sorry an acronym

1123
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:10,160
of uh uh nickel okay which is pronounced

1124
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,520
nickel not nickel

1125
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,240
nickel uh titanium and uh the naval

1126
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,160
ordnance laboratory the nol

1127
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,560
part uh and uh that was the uh the

1128
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:19,920
organization that

1129
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,800
uh basically uh uh developed it so

1130
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,160
you've got uh

1131
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,200
ni for nickel ti for titanium nol for

1132
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,640
naval ordnance lab

1133
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,480
and somehow it's pronounced nitinol

1134
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:32,000
instead of nitinol which is how i would

1135
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,040
have pronounced it but

1136
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,960
anyway that's the case and he's been on

1137
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,160
that because uh

1138
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:39,119
nitinol possesses these uh shape memory

1139
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,920
aspects

1140
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,920
uh that were described by various

1141
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:43,760
roswell witnesses

1142
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,079
of the debris that was found uh out in

1143
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:47,839
roswell they saw this stuff and it has

1144
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,240
this

1145
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,240
these shape metal properties and uh

1146
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,160
they're seeing this stuff uh

1147
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,119
14 15 years before nitinol was uh

1148
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:56,800
invented and had developed

1149
00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:00,160
so you know how did that happen yeah so

1150
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,680
anyway uh there's a

1151
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,440
there's a there's this alloy but i was

1152
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,800
thinking to myself there there must have

1153
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:06,640
been something in between there must

1154
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,440
have been something

1155
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,680
else uh that came about if they really

1156
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,079
did find an alien spacecraft

1157
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,960
uh uh crashed in uh roswell or somewhere

1158
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:16,000
else who knows

1159
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,040
uh that uh provided enough

1160
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,839
leads for the the military and the

1161
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:23,440
scientists working with them

1162
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:26,720
to develop something else and i was

1163
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:27,440
looking and

1164
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,160
one of the great advancements in

1165
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,640
metallurgy during the 1950s was the

1166
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:33,680
development

1167
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:36,720
of super alloys now

1168
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,920
i've got this little piece here uh super

1169
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:41,760
alloys can be considered to have

1170
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,520
traversed a period 1950 to 1970 when

1171
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:47,839
greater and greater amounts of differing

1172
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,640
elements

1173
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,200
were added for specific mechanical and

1174
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:52,720
chemical effects

1175
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:55,680
so uh that that is very interesting to

1176
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:56,960
me uh you you

1177
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,640
you have to think like a guy in 1947

1178
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,040
getting hold of this uh extraterrestrial

1179
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:04,960
alloy and now looking at and figuring

1180
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,760
out uh

1181
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:08,079
well what can we do with it and how how

1182
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,040
can we make it

1183
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,640
uh that type of thing and here's a

1184
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,240
there's another uh

1185
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,319
chart in terms of uh the the

1186
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,319
temperatures under which uh

1187
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:19,280
metal uh could uh could hold up and we

1188
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:19,920
can see the

1189
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:22,720
uh the big jump uh into the uh the late

1190
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,440
40s

1191
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,000
into the 50s and so on so i'm starting

1192
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,240
to think that maybe

1193
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:30,480
this additional advancement that we can

1194
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,359
identify

1195
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:34,400
uh from that period might be this uh the

1196
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,800
super alloy advancement uh might be

1197
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,560
the development in that where you're

1198
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,160
seeing uh suddenly

1199
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,240
all sorts of different metals added into

1200
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:44,880
sort of a metallic stew uh to uh

1201
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:48,160
allow uh alloys that'll hold up under

1202
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:48,960
the uh

1203
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,079
the the the sort of uh demands that uh

1204
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:54,960
aerospace and aeronautics and aviation

1205
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,680
uh would need it to hold up under and uh

1206
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,800
so i think that is something i'm going

1207
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,800
to continue to take a closer look at

1208
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,960
it's something that i i suggest you if

1209
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,480
you're a little bit more scientifically

1210
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:08,240
minded and not interested in this sort

1211
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:08,880
of thing

1212
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,520
to take a closer look at a lot of times

1213
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,960
there's some empty space in there

1214
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,480
there's some things that won't exactly

1215
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:15,760
make any sense

1216
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,960
but uh i i think it's uh something that

1217
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:21,440
might be worth a closer look and uh some

1218
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,800
closer consideration

1219
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,960
as we move forward you've got the

1220
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,079
titanium industry

1221
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:29,119
founded in 1948 and then this super

1222
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,400
alloy phenomenon

1223
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:32,160
uh that develops in the years uh

1224
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,520
immediately after that

1225
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,680
and then you've got that again a super

1226
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,440
alloy almost by definition

1227
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,680
a nitinol being developed in the the

1228
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,119
very late 50s but

1229
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,280
uh really coming into usage in the early

1230
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,440
60s so there's that i think that that's

1231
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,839
pretty important and uh

1232
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,599
so uh like i said i invite you all to

1233
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,960
take a closer look

1234
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,640
uh i'm sure that there are some other

1235
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:54,560
things out there obviously

1236
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:57,920
a lot gets talked about uh in terms of

1237
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,119
reverse engineering and regarding uh

1238
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,960
any kind of potential uh alien

1239
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,880
spacecraft that might have come down

1240
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,720
but uh look at the materials i think

1241
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,319
that's where it's at and uh

1242
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,839
basically i think that's about all i've

1243
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,599
got for right now uh what do you think

1244
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,480
chant

1245
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,640
i just wanted to mention something that

1246
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:15,680
may be uh

1247
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:18,960
important to our listeners and that is

1248
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,960
uh knight knoller nitinol whichever you

1249
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,560
prefer to call it

1250
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,560
uh where it's been used before is

1251
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,839
dentistry

1252
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:28,400
and oh uh i can't say this word

1253
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:29,960
correctly

1254
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,359
endodontics uh endodontics yeah

1255
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,920
yeah and that's mainly used during root

1256
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:37,599
canals for cleaning and shaping of root

1257
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:38,560
canals

1258
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,319
in colorectal surgery stents orthopedic

1259
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,880
implant right wires for making and

1260
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,200
locating breast tumors so if you are a

1261
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:48,960
breast cancer

1262
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:52,720
survivor like i am twice over

1263
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,839
you may indeed have had this metal used

1264
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,960
inside you

1265
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,800
and then also a tubing for a range of

1266
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:00,480
medical applications

1267
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,640
uh then moving along here

1268
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,680
various metal metals out there

1269
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,760
i just want to mention a list of them

1270
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,760
and that is

1271
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:14,720
iron steel wrought iron platinum pure

1272
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,280
copper

1273
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:18,480
aluminum silver zinc gold cadmium

1274
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,760
bismuth tin lead now if you're robert t

1275
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,640
bigelow and he you have those as the

1276
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,200
choices to make all your space related

1277
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:28,560
uh

1278
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,319
equipment i'm certain that super alloys

1279
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,319
start to look very attractive after a

1280
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,200
while

1281
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,920
um wanted to ask you i know why he'd

1282
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,599
want to use him but can you please tell

1283
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:41,520
our listeners why you imagine he might

1284
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:42,400
be interested

1285
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:45,280
acutely interested in super alloy

1286
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,079
possibility

1287
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,119
well super alloys can be based on

1288
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,359
and again uh about stand correct uh

1289
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:53,119
nobody uh jump all over me because i'm

1290
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,720
not a meddler just but uh

1291
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,800
this is basically i came across within

1292
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:58,160
the last few days i thought was

1293
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,960
interesting and

1294
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,400
i want to get it out there so other

1295
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,319
people take a look at it but the super

1296
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,920
alloys are basically can have

1297
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:06,319
three different metals as bases uh one

1298
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:07,520
of them is iron

1299
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,880
uh the other is uh nickel and the third

1300
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,000
is cobalt

1301
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:14,079
so a super alloy can have those as sort

1302
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:15,440
of their base uh

1303
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,720
base component and then any a lot of

1304
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,640
different uh a lot of different metals

1305
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,480
can be thrown in obviously titanium and

1306
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,680
some of the others that you mentioned

1307
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,040
that can be sort of

1308
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,640
thrown in there's a different

1309
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:28,240
ingredients in the stewie

1310
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,520
you might say interesting all right and

1311
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,960
if people want to find out a little bit

1312
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:34,800
more on that topic all you have to do is

1313
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,359
type in

1314
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,160
super alloy yeah super alloys history

1315
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,920
for one thing

1316
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,839
that that would be one area where i've

1317
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,839
already found some material that i think

1318
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,880
of some interest so

1319
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,720
you know i invite everybody listening to

1320
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,240
to take a closer look at

1321
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:50,240
that particular phenomenon within

1322
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,839
metallurgical history

1323
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,920
good well all right so we were able to

1324
00:46:57,829 --> 00:46:55,440
cover the article

1325
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:57,839
to a certain degree and i know you're

1326
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,880
going to expand upon

1327
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:01,680
other topics but do you feel like the

1328
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,400
pentagon

1329
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,680
admits it has ufo debris uh article that

1330
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,760
tony bergelia wrote

1331
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,560
is actually groundbreaking regarding the

1332
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:12,560
over 70 years that

1333
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:16,800
ufology has been around

1334
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,400
i mean what are your thoughts on that do

1335
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,839
you think that that is actually

1336
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:20,880
historical

1337
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,000
related research groundbreaking research

1338
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,720
that he's done well i think it is uh

1339
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,319
just a follow-on on

1340
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,680
a lot of stuff the people who've been

1341
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,839
looking at it uh carefully for a long

1342
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,720
time it's just

1343
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,280
another step in the right direction uh

1344
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:37,040
it could be groundbreaking in the sense

1345
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,599
that

1346
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,599
maybe this is sort of the tipping point

1347
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:41,440
and it gets more people to pay attention

1348
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,640
to this subject

1349
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,880
if that's the case then yeah i mean and

1350
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,559
i mean obviously it's uh part of the

1351
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,240
reason why we're doing this show

1352
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,359
uh the the materials it's kind of sat

1353
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,000
for a while

1354
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,000
and it really hasn't gone anywhere and

1355
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:55,920
if this is kind of the kick it needs

1356
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,720
you know there uh there are uh other

1357
00:48:02,309 --> 00:47:59,920
studies going on

1358
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,319
there's uh still the uh uh the valet

1359
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:04,640
nolan study of la talked about it

1360
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:07,359
and uh gary nolan had uh talked about

1361
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,160
hey we're

1362
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,880
yeah we're looking to uh publish uh get

1363
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:12,319
something published and

1364
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,000
uh get that out there and i mean three

1365
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,559
years afterwards it hasn't happened so

1366
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,359
you know let's uh let if they don't want

1367
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:20,720
to take a closer look

1368
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,640
uh historians can go back and dig in and

1369
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:26,079
take a closer look at the history

1370
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:27,920
there's a a lot of things that are sort

1371
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,119
of unanswered here

1372
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,800
it's a lot clearer as far as the

1373
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:32,400
founding of the titanium industry

1374
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,359
because we know

1375
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,359
that it was the military that kinda kind

1376
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,119
of got those doors open

1377
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:40,319
but yeah things advance in uh curious

1378
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:41,280
ways i mean

1379
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:43,520
uh people especially very clever people

1380
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:44,400
like scientists

1381
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,079
they don't need too much of a lead

1382
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,000
follow up and to take something a little

1383
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:51,839
bit further and then somebody else

1384
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,440
takes that lead and takes a little bit

1385
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:55,599
further in that and builds and builds

1386
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,240
and builds

1387
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:58,400
and even back in those pre-internet days

1388
00:49:01,990 --> 00:49:00,079
uh information got around

1389
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,000
uh there were journals uh people

1390
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:03,599
corresponded with each other

1391
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:06,319
uh so on and so forth so information

1392
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,880
trout

1393
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,880
you know even in that day and age uh

1394
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,319
where there were phones and letters you

1395
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:12,000
know information still traveled pretty

1396
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,640
quickly

1397
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,599
and uh got around and uh again that just

1398
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:17,200
a little piece of information

1399
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:18,880
leads to the next piece of information

1400
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,480
whether you're talking about scientific

1401
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,319
advancement or uh if you're talking

1402
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,400
about ufo research it's it's it's uh

1403
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:29,200
you know it's a sort of a uh it's a

1404
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:31,440
science uh sort of a social science but

1405
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:31,920
uh

1406
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:36,000
follow the same process to a certain

1407
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,720
extent

1408
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,800
the other thing i wanted to mention is

1409
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:40,480
uh and you'll have to correct me if i'm

1410
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:41,680
not right

1411
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,319
i believe tony actually wrote out his

1412
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:46,720
foia request or request

1413
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,150
yeah yeah and he wrote it right after

1414
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:54,079
that initial new york times article came

1415
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:54,880
out

1416
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,319
materials in that article so

1417
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,319
again that mentioned in the article

1418
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:01,760
prompted him to write the

1419
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:03,680
foia requests and yeah it did take three

1420
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:04,880
years for it to come back

1421
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,960
probably a little bit too long and uh

1422
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,319
what we got back are

1423
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:11,520
are those uh those derns which are very

1424
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:12,000
interesting

1425
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:15,760
overview and we've got a pretty good

1426
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,480
idea

1427
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,240
why those uh particular papers were

1428
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,079
commissioned so you know

1429
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,760
we know we know more than we did last

1430
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,359
weekend let's put it that way

1431
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:26,400
you and i talked to uh researchers all

1432
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,200
the time

1433
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:29,280
that have told us the government is

1434
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,640
famous for

1435
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,559
either ignoring them or playing games

1436
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:34,160
with them regarding foia requests so

1437
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,960
honestly

1438
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,800
i'm surprised they got back to him this

1439
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,240
fast

1440
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,200
but anyway i wanted to mention something

1441
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:43,040
else to our listeners regarding this

1442
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:44,559
fascinating article that

1443
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,480
tony wrote and that is um in the article

1444
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:51,280
he has a caption that says other

1445
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:53,119
material and underneath that

1446
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,839
it says extensive reference is also made

1447
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:57,760
to the studying application of what

1448
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,559
the test called metamaterial with a

1449
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:01,520
little asterisk

1450
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,440
next to that word meta-material

1451
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,000
including that some of this material

1452
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:08,000
moving on to a bullet point here can be

1453
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,440
used to slow down light

1454
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:10,720
and even bring light to a complete

1455
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,440
standstill may induce invisibility by

1456
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,880
manipulating refraction

1457
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:16,720
reflectivity and increasing light

1458
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,880
absorption the reports use terms like

1459
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,119
optical isolation and transparency and

1460
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,480
make reference to a meta

1461
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:25,359
mirror technology has the interesting

1462
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:26,559
ability to comp

1463
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,520
compress electromagnetic energy and last

1464
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,440
one is exhibits a particular

1465
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,440
tunable resonance which was likely

1466
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,119
determined

1467
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,440
during fabrication so please do read

1468
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,200
this article because it has a lot of

1469
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:41,280
interesting aspects to it that might

1470
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,920
apprise you to uh what might be going on

1471
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:45,920
behind the scenes and also in plain

1472
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,480
sight

1473
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,040
right and the links to the actual papers

1474
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:51,520
are in there uh granted it's a pretty

1475
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:52,960
daunting reading

1476
00:51:56,790 --> 00:51:55,839
but uh yeah give it a give it a shot i

1477
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,800
mean if uh

1478
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,240
you know if your head explodes then

1479
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:00,960
obviously yeah uh take a break but uh

1480
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,920
uh do uh do do take a closer look so uh

1481
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,440
that's about all i've got chad you got

1482
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,880
anything else

1483
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,480
i don't thanks for letting me go over

1484
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,400
all that with you sure absolutely well

1485
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:11,520
uh you have a good one

1486
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,559
and uh uh we will be back uh if uh news

1487
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,319
requires it that we'll be back sooner

1488
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,319
but i think the next scheduled uh show

1489
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:20,079
we've got is uh in early march is that

1490
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,440
about right chant

1491
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,119
it is i won't say who the guest is but

1492
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:24,640
she's known worldwide

1493
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:27,440
she's an icon in the realm of ufology

1494
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:28,319
she goes back

1495
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,920
many decades she's sort of ufo royalty

1496
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:32,960
so to speak

1497
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:35,680
and so i would really highly recommend

1498
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,160
folks

1499
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:38,319
listen to the show i know they will

1500
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:39,200
enjoy it

1501
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,400
and she's a real uh really wonderful

1502
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,960
person i know that she will absolutely

1503
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:47,359
love to share uh some interesting

1504
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:48,480
information

1505
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:50,880
that people will want to know about and

1506
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,599
of course uh

1507
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,079
you know again if news requires it if

1508
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:55,599
enough happens and it's interesting

1509
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:57,280
enough we can obviously do something uh

1510
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,480
pretty spur of the moment

1511
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:01,200
that's the nice thing about having a a a

1512
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,400
shape memory platform like this

1513
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,839
leave it slack for a little while and

1514
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:07,359
then it can spring into action that when

1515
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:08,559
you least expect it

1516
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,240
i did want to i did want to mention

1517
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:12,400
something and that is uh

1518
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,800
every year you and i talk every year

1519
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:15,680
without fail

1520
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:18,319
we talk right before the new year about

1521
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:19,599
whether there's going to be any

1522
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,280
interesting news the next year on the

1523
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:23,359
ufo slash et topic

1524
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:26,480
and you know i have to tell you

1525
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:29,599
this is only february you know i mean we

1526
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,920
are

1527
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,680
actually coming out with some really

1528
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,160
interesting things this year so i'm very

1529
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:37,440
i'm very uh surprised and also i'm

1530
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,920
happy about it yeah i mean it can

1531
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:41,599
sometimes run a little hot and a little

1532
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,319
cold

1533
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,880
and we can take breaks during the time

1534
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,640
when it runs a little cold if

1535
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:49,200
there's a not a whole lot going on and

1536
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,720
not much to talk about you know we can

1537
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,160
kind of stockpile a few different

1538
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,520
stories and

1539
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:55,839
some good trending news articles though

1540
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:58,160
our stories regarding the ufo et topic

1541
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:58,640
so

1542
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,000
stuff that that may be

1543
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,880
uh or not uh something that we def

1544
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,480
necessarily want to jump on and do a

1545
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:08,480
full-blown podcast we've got the groups

1546
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,200
and

1547
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,359
retweet things on twitter so there's

1548
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,960
always something going on

1549
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,559
all right well everybody hope you have a

1550
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,160
lovely evening thank you so much for

1551
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,240
having taken the time to tune in to

1552
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,280
you fun and also uh

1553
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:23,119
really hope that everybody has a safe

1554
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,319
and fun weekend